SamO: I've never seen my brother clean anything in my life. And and he was on his hands and knees just dragging towels to get the courts dry. And I think that is the heart of pickleball. We are so passionate about it. It brings us together and you know, makes us do crazy things so we can play. So I want you guys to think about the places where you feel most like yourself. For us in this room. It's on a rectangle that's exactly 44 feet by 20 feet. A space so small that you're often standing less than 14 feet away from complete strangers at the kitchen line. You look people in the eye. There's nowhere to hide. Sometimes your partner is someone you've never met before, someone completely different from you. And within minutes, you're laughing, you're competing and working together. And somehow all the usual barriers disappear. I've played on courts in Hawaii, in Mexico, in Maine, Washington, and all across my hometown of San Diego, California, from Vista to Chula Vista. And no matter where I go, the dimensions never change. 44 by 20. And somehow, neither do the sounds. The laughter after a great point, the groans after a missed put away, and the conversations between games. I've shared the court with grandparents and grandchildren, married couples, best friends, fierce competitors, and complete strangers. And most importantly, family. Love you, cousin Adam. It's not just a ball bouncing across the net. It's shared experiences, new friendships, friendly rivalries, life lessons, moments of connection, the stories, the people, the community. This is 44X20. What up, what up, what up, pickleheads! Woo! Season one, episode one, 44X20. We are here. And today's episode, it's called From Court to Community. And when we think about From Court to Community, I think about the foundations of community. And when I think about the foundations of community, I think about pillars. And today I brought in three pillars of excellence, three pillars of our community, three people that I respect and love so much. And we're gonna talk about pickleball today. Let's go! All right, all right, all right. So let's go around the room. I got JT in the house. Woo! JT. Should I do the applause button? Let me find it. I got Chi in the house. Woo! And of course. Holly. What up, what up, what up, what up, what up? All right. Thank you guys so much for coming. I'm so excited that you're here. let's get talking about pickleball. Alright. First, I want to go around the room and I want everybody to get to know you. I want to know how long you've been playing, and how pickleball's found you. Who wants to go first? Here we go. Ball's in your court. Let's go. My name is JT and I've been playing like a lot of people kind of post COVID, right? I I had a friend who actually bought me a set of paddles, net and balls, and literally it stayed in my garage for about a year. Because one, I didn't know how to play and two, I didn't know where to play. So about a year later I found out that Poway Unified was teaching classes and that's kinda where I got my introduction to to pickleball. And who bought those paddles for you? A friend of mine named John Hinz. He has a family friend. I I saw pickleball being played and you know, I said, that sounds pretty interesting. He knew that I was pretty pretty athletic, so he bought that for Christmas one year. That literally was in my my garage for about a year before I even opened the box. So yeah, that's where I started. That's awesome. And so you said it was Pow Poway? Poway Unified. So they actually had two classes at Rancho Bernardo High and the instructor was was Ray Smith and he teaches at Westwood. He teaches tennis actually and this is back in the day when he had to tape four courts with blue painters tape every Saturday and the last class had to help him pick up the painter's tape, take down the nets every Saturday. And I'd help him with it. And then yeah, it was insane. And now got painted lines. And we're spoiled. We got nets don't you know they're permanent. So totally different environment now. So you saw them playing and you said to yourself, I gotta go get those paddles out of my garage. It's time, right? Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's like, okay, this looks easy. Right. W when did you know that you were a picklehead? shortly after, probably about maybe six months to I mean it's very addictive. You know, yeah, you know, it's it's one of those things where it's like okay, I need to nail this, you know, and and it becomes a little a little competition amongst yourself, right? It's like okay, I gotta get better at this and it it can't be that difficult and there's a lot more to it than than you think. But yeah, it it j it just you know, took over. So I served it, you returned it, time for someone to hit the third. Throw that ball. All right, Chi, now it's your turn. tell us about how Pickleball found you. okay. So, my name is Lillian Pecache also known as Chi on the Court. And my brother was my younger brother was the one who introduced me to pickleball. And I played tennis in high school. He played badminton so we've never play together and one summer he said, Hey, I found a new sport. Let's, you know, hop on and join me. And we found a court on our middle school that was converted into a pickleball. And they're tiny, there's not much space. And that summer almost, you know, three times a week we were out there. And when the time change we were so sad because they did not have lights. And we went to different places. We even bought lights to bring with us so we can play because at that time we didn't have courts to play on. And what I thought was so cool was I can finally play a sport with my sibling. And we got to connect. I got to play with his friends and then my husband got introduced to pickleball and we became pickleheads pretty early on and I asked my husband, like, how would you describe pickleball? He said, It's a drug, don't do it. No, no, no, hold on. But it's in the best way because in a way that you find it, you seek it, and then you find other people. that loves it the way that you do and it becomes what you think about and what you watch and what you talk about and how you connect and being able to connect different generations, you know, from grandmas, like you said earlier, to my eight year old is playing pickleball. And so I think that's the biggest thing about pickleball and how it found me and I feel that I expanded my connections so much because of it. I'm sitting here with you and you and you and we would not meet each other otherwise. It's true. So true. So okay, you sort of alluded to this and we talked about before. Pickleball. Addiction or passion? You know how I feel. Yeah. I think depends who you ask. You know, if the person is not playing pickleball, they think it's an addiction. But if you're on the courts and you're playing it, that becomes a passion because you seek to get better and it's actually helped me to get better in other aspects of my life as well. in communicating with my husband, you know. That's a neck that's another episode, right? That's a way different episode. We don't have time for that tonight. But I think it is a passion that you kind of turn into and you seek with other people and you have this shared passion and and then it's what you decide to do with it. You know. Very much so. for myself. I'm kind of an all or nothing person, you know, and I I've been accused before of being addicted to pickleball. And my answer is very, very standard. And it's this Whoa woah woah woah woah woah woah woah woah. Let's be real careful throwing the A word around, right? 'Cause the A word is reserved for things that are negative, right? Alcohol, drugs, gambling, things that bring you down. Right? True. The P word is reserved for things that are positive, right? And you know, if if pickleball does ever become a negative, then then you shouldn't play it. But I don't see that happening for very many people. I mean, do you? All right. Let's pass the ball to the Queen. Here we go. my gosh. hi, I'm Holly. I have been playing pickleball for almost three years. August twenty twenty three was when we found pickleball and it was actually by accident. We were at a family gathering and one of the uncles had set up a net in his yard and Vuong and I and Carter were just volleying the ball, thinking, I mean, what's so special about this game? A week later we go to Cabo and we see, we walk by this court. We were there for a week. We walk by this court and we see four people around our age playing and we're thinking, they're look like they look like they're having so much fun. They are laughing, they are being silly, they don't look too athletic and we thought to ourselves, you know what, when we get back, let's look into this pickleball stuff. So J July 4th, we were there for July 4th, came back and end of July, we went online and researched that there are pickable, indoor pickleball. places and we went to Costco like everybody else and bought Costco paddles, showed up to Carmel Mountain Rec Center indoor, not knowing one specific person, and quickly Vuong Carter, and I was during h summer. He didn't have summer school and we just needed someplace indoors for Carter to play and for us to hang out with him. And we met the nicest people indoors. And throughout my tenure with pickleball in the last three years, Carmel Mountain Rec Center is going to be the thread that draws me back to pickleball every single time. Shout out CMR. Real quickly, both of you guys alluded to two people that I want you to say their names real loudly. Because that one of them is my partner. Go ahead, say his name. Thinh Yeah, you said my brother. You didn't want to say his name? Thinh Shout out tree trunks. And what about the body bag king? You gonna shout him out? Body bag king is Vuong Vo my husband. We're calling you out. We need to get you in here. Yes. Right. All right. All right. I wanna talk a little bit more about what makes pickleball so unique. I wanna touch a little bit up on some of the friendships that we've built and I wanna talk about some of our our favorite community moments. why don't you hold on to the ball? You re you s you scored, so you retain the serve, right? I'll serve again. Okay, go ahead. So what makes pickleball so unique? I think what makes pickleball so unique is that it's a social game. And many times I heard people say, you know, like I'm not an extrovert, but in order to play pickleball, you are going to have to go on a court with three different people, thus introducing yourself and getting to know someone and Putting your paddle down at an open play and introducing yourself and analyzing someone's skill and deciding is this an open court that I can feel comfortable playing in. and I think what also makes pickleball so special is I grew up not with a tennis background. I actually played badminton competitively. And this was the one sport that I could play competitively with my husband and my child and any family member. And it kind of spurred that competitive passion in me again because I used to travel all over California to play badminton for college. And now I get to do that. in the comfort of my hometown with my husband, and local tournaments. And again, also I found that, you know, because I played collegiate badminton, I d didn't find the positiveness of competition in badminton or seeing that in tennis. But I could see it in pickleball When someone, your opponent, would hit a good shot It was okay for you to give them a compliment across the court. It was okay to comfort your partner in the middle of the game. It was okay to comfort yourself in the middle of the game out loud. And that was acceptable. And I didn't see that in competitive badminton or tennis. I didn't play tennis, but in other sports. I do you wouldn't see someone complimenting their opponent. Wait, now real quickly. Yeah. In competitive pickleball is that happening a lot too? I do that still. In tourneys? Yeah. In tourneys. I will say good shot. Yeah. If y they burn me, I will always say good shot. Yeah. You're playing mixed. And and And doubles. Yeah. I'll do it. We're gonna talk about no fanboying on the next episode. Exactly. Well, we can do that. That's where, you know, it's interesting because for some people it will throw them off. They'll tur turn off their focus. For me, it's look, pickleball is more than just competition, right? I am aiming to make friends on and off the court and eventually I'm gonna see these same people at other local tournaments, other places. And I'm gonna want them to say, you know what, I'd like to play with her again. You know. You're like you're like me. when I first started playing the tournament scene, you know, I I came in being authentically myself, which I think is always the best thing. But, you know, other people have had different experiences leading up to the tournament. Other people are competitive. Other people really, really, really wanna win. Yeah. And for me, one of the things that I learned real fast is when I started engaging with some of these dogs, it they it made me a target. And and I had to sort of button it up a little bit in the men's game. That's nice and I had to sort of watch my nice points, nice tries. 'cause 'cause of the way they w they were perceived by strangers. Now recreational pickleball. what this podcast is about. Now we're now we're talking. Yeah, yeah, totally. Paddle taps every point, baby. Paddle taps every point. I think again, pickleball is so special and I think we all agree that the reason why we keep coming back to play is because of the social aspect. It's because we get to play with our family. It's because we get to see the j the progress that we make and for me I'd say it's definitely a passion and not an addiction. I can I can turn it off, you know. I can say too much is too much. I only want to play one time this week. All right, fast hands, throw that shit to JT. Yes. Paddle up, bitch. You got it. JT JT. Let's talk funny moments. share a story that can only happen through pickleball. Let's just say it, you know, you do create friendships, you know, and and and with guys you kinda has you know, you chirp and you'll you know, so but I mean at the end the day, you know, I'll I'll hug the guy at at the end of the at the end of the game. It's kinda like, hey, you know, a and we know it's all it's all good fun and there was a there's a time and and I still relate to it because when you're amongst friends, there's a there's a shot called a nasty Nelson. Yeah, yeah. You really only do that with friends. I mean you're not gonna make any friends with Doing a nasty nails, or I I certainly wouldn't do it with somebody I didn't know, right? But Sam might so it was this guy's birthday. His name's Dan. You wanna say his last name? We can bleep it out. So it was his birthday. And of course, yeah, we of course, but we were a h I was ahead, our team was ahead, and he was on the other side. I'm serving game point. I'm serving game point and he's directly across from me. So of course I nail him on for the game. And he's like, really JT, are you serious? On my birthday, you nasty nails in me. So I'll bring it up every once in a while when we get together. He's like, I got a story for you. He's like, don't even start that. Happy fucking birthday, Dan. Yeah. So but yeah, no, he's a great guy and and we still, you know, drill together and you know, so it it's kinda become like a little like a little brotherhood, you know. I mean it it's it really brings you together, you know. And I would have never met him. I know I've been pickleball, so Yeah, so I mean that's just a a funny story that was just I love it. I love it. I love nasty nelsoning people. You deserved it, Dan. We'll see you on your next birthday. All right, fast hands, let's go. Got it. Yeah, don't fumble. Gee, you've been a part of some of the the biggest community moments. And we we'll talk about those, but let's talk about some of your favorite community moments. there's so many. because when you meet p you know, they start as strangers and then you end up celebrating birthdays on the courts and Thanksgiving and you know, you have potlucks and you celebrate Mother's Day and Father's Day. And then they become this community becomes your family. And I think my favorite moment was at the Pickleball for Wishes event that Holly helped put together and it was merging my passions of hiking, charity work and pickleball. And has a hike leader and a volunteer for make a wish. Our goal is to raise fundraise money to help grant wishes for kids with critical illnesses. And it's really a labor of love because it's months of you know, Zoom meetings and getting pickleball courts and donations and getting people to play in your tournament. And last year was our first event and never put anything together in my life like this. And we had more than 200 people showed up. and the second year around, same thing. And the coolest moment was to stand there and just take it all in and see all 36 courts being used. volunteers with blue shirts all over the place and there's kids on the front courts playing. There's, you know, wish families playing and just to kinda take it in after months of labor and sleepless nights and, you know, thanks to volunteers like Holly, Vuong , Thinh, Kenny and and Jason and the whole community and you for for participating both of the times. And that was the coolest experience is just to see the community come together using the passion and the love of pickleball to raise money for something that is so meaningful. And that was, you know, something I just ask to Hey, is this a good idea? And everyone jumped on board and said yes. And that one yes, you know, created this whole event. And there are people who came up later and said, this I wanna do this every year. This is my birthday tradition. Like, it's only been two years and they made it their birthday tradition. And I was playing on the court And same someone came up to me and said, Hey, you're the organizer. I said, Yeah. And they said, That was the best tournament I've played in. And speech. And speech. and that really made my heart sing, no matter how hard the work was and how much I tell John, please like you know, tell me to say no next time. but to see the community come together for a good cause. over you know pickleball the love of the sport that is just like so heartwarming. Don't say no. Keep doing what you're doing, right? and I've told you this before, but I'll tell you I'll tell the listeners, I'm gonna give you your flowers even more so. you know, as a participant of that event and looking around at that event, you know, I saw my community from my own angle, right? on the ground. I cramped a little bit. But I I saw my community from my own angle. And those two events were really, really inspiring as far as what you could do and what we could do a as a group to bring people together. And I I have to tell you, seeing all the people come together have been very much an inspiration for what we're doing here today. So we'll see what comes of the show, but I'm really thankful for what you did in those two tournaments and you've really set the bar very, very, very, very high. Yeah. thank you. And we raised with between the two years we raised more than ten thousand dollars. And that has all been donated to our local make a wish chapter. That's great. I think the ball tosses Holly if pickleball disappeared tomorrow, what would you miss most? Pickleball disappeared tomorrow. I think I miss most my my weekly cadence of seeing my people. because pickleball, once you start playing, you become a pickleball, you rely on this weekly routine of seeing your friends. And sometimes it's more than two to three times a week. And so if pickleball was to go away tomorrow, I would miss that as part of my my routine, my life routine. And that I've ingrained it in my life schedule. So to not have that, it would be kind of bland, kinda boring. Someone else go on this one. Look alive. No body bags in the studio. if it were to to disappear tomorrow, I think a aside from, you know, the the community and the getting together and I mean you'd probably still now that you've created these relationships, you probably still in some way maybe try to keep in touch. But it's so easy to come together for it. yeah, so I think and I think also just, you know, mentally and physically, right? I mean you'd have to find some other outlet. I mean, you know, from your mind, you know, it's like, you know, you know, how do I hit this? How do I, you know, attack this way or that way. So I mean, mentally it it keeps you sharp. And physically, I mean I know people that, you know, and and pros too, you've seen their body change. I mean it's like, wow, you know, they're taking it serious, you know. I mean, they've lost weight, they're getting stronger. I mean and so th a lot of people, you know, their health is changing and it's easy to just sit on the couch, you know, if you have nothing to push you a little bit, right? nothing. Yeah, yeah. So I I think there's a lot of different, you know, ways that, you know, could affect you personally, at least for me. So yeah. That's Look alive. Go ahead. If pickleball were to disappear tomorrow, Chi, what would you miss the most? I will miss playing with my husband the most, actually. I know that sounds silly 'cause know, he is such an athlete and he played volleyball and football and snowboarding and ran marathons and all that. And I remember subbing for him for one football game and I lost like four toenails. So so pickleball is the only sport that we can be on the court together, playing together, but also against each other as well. And so I think I would miss that a lot. And we do other things like we hike and run, but it's just so different. Like you in hiking you don't really need to talk, you know? And running, he's like three minutes faster than me. So, but I feel on pickle pickleball I think one of the things we love the most is that no matter what your you know, athleticism is your age, you know, your experience in racket or sports, you can always pick it up and be competitive if you thrive for that. And not all I guess spouse can play together. We we know the challenges and and the joy of playing with our husbands. and some days it works, some days it doesn't, but for me, when even when we have a bad day, I'm like, I wanna do that again. I wanna be better at something. I wanna not pop it up or speed across courts so we just couldn't. I think we're gonna have to save all that content for the husbands and wives episode. Yeah. We'll save that one. I've got that I've got that one locked and loaded on tap. Yeah, but I think I would miss that. If I'll pick a ball. For me? this is gonna sound kind of like a sicko one. I would miss the sound of the ball bouncing. I would miss the sound of the ball bouncing. I feel like the sound of the ball bouncing is like the heartbeat of my life. It gives me like the rhythm that I need, the pace that I need to set my day by. I'm I'd be a little bit worried about being able to sleep properly for a while. I would probably deep dive into another hobby for sure. I don't think I'd get back into e-biking again. maybe we just dive deeper into podcasting. But then we'd have nothing to talk about. Well then we just sitting around. I don't know. All right, all right, right. What are some of the things that are coming up in the future, some of the things in our local community or some of the things in the game that are coming up or that we're hopeful for or some things that we're like looking forward to over the next year or so. Feel free, anybody What I'm l hopeful for is is a lot of the youth. Youth is starting to come on board. And it's just gonna explode. I mean, you got you know, younger kids, you twelve year olds and younger are you know, you know, becoming pros and so I mean it it was predominantly an older folks sport. I mean the age is coming down so fast. No young bloods are on the rise. It's changing the sport, it's making it faster, it's making it yeah, so th the game's gonna change a little bit and we'll have to we're all gonna have to adapt. But that that's gonna be you know Pretty fun to watch. we're at we're at the beginning. I mean, I can't even imagine what when they when it started back in 65, you know, to like to now. I mean, it's just like day and night. The paddles, everything. So I mean, from now, I mean maybe fifteen years from now we're gonna go, wow, now look at it, right? No, right. So there's there's a lot of room for growth. Yeah. All right, pass that ball What are we looking forward to in the future, Holly? socially I would love to look forward to some place near Poway having public courts, more than six courts at a time that are free. So that a lot of us can come out and play with permanent nets. I feel like every city I travel to they have these parks with these vast amounts of pickleball courts available for the community to play. Personally I'd like to get and see more family members play. When Vuong and I and Carter first start playing, you know, we got a lot of slack from our family for always being gone playing pickleball. And now I'm proud to say that we have like about sixteen family members where we can call up any day and they'll play with us on travel and at home. So I like to see more families getting involved And I like to see the youth. hopefully we'll have the next young pro from San Diego playing in pickleball. So So I'm excited about a lot of stuff. But obviously I'm most excited about what we're doing right here, right now. I I'm excited to get our voice out there. So I need everybody call to action, like and subscribe, tell all your friends. I'm inviting you to be a part of this community. I'm inviting you to step between the lines and be a part of this unique recreational experience here at 44X20. We're gonna be doing the same stuff that we're always doing. We're gonna be having fun. We're gonna be laughing. We're gonna be playing pickle. And We're gonna be getting to know all of our friends and all of our community members and players around us. I'm so fired up. Woo! Yeah. Next segment. Lightning round. I'm gonna throw the ball at somebody and I'm gonna ask you a question and you're supposed to answer it. Consider it kind of like a hot potato or maybe a hands battle, we'll call it. You know what I mean? So let me This is just like the game before. If you're not fast on it, you're gonna get all right. So Favorite partner. Favorite partner, RJ. Say say something. Favorite paddle brand. Rombus I'm ready, I got a few queued up. you have to ask me something. Favorite outfit to wear? Anything pickleball court. Anything with bright colors that's all matching. You like color color blast basically. favorite local court. Well CMR of course. Yes. let's see. Who You better hurry. shoot. Favorite shot. pickleball shot Cross court drip. I would have guessed that, but that's a good one. Yeah. Okay. Favorite shoe brand, pick a ball shoe. Right now I'm liking the Babylot Mach Fours. they're not the most comfortable shoe I've ever worn, but they're so far the most durable. So which I'm going through shoes like faster than every three months. So if they can last longer than three months, send me some codes. Biggest pet pickleball pet peeve. Pet peeve. Sometimes people take too long with their pre-served routine. I have one guy, I'm not even joking. He he bounces his ball on his paddle like twelve times. It's like That's social warfare, bro. That's what I was like, That ain't pickleball, that's social warfare. So yeah, that's probably my biggest pet feed. Send it off. Best Pick a ball snack. gosh. Well I hike, so I kinda bring those snacks with me. Be beef jerky. Get me some salt and protein on the way. Yeah. I lost my timer. Here we go. Timer's back. Okay. favorite out of town court. the one of the most favorite places that I've been so far. I can I say two? I think I'm gonna say two since it's since I'm the host. Ohana Pickleball Club in Maui. And La Huerta Pickleball in Cabo San Lucas. If you could suggest one person to be a guest on 44X20, who would it be? But before you say who it is, you have to be able to convince that person to come on. You can say somebody else. No, you say it. I I have to say Vuong Vo He is my husband and he will go on the show. Wait, hold on a second. Wait, no, no, I'm gonna give him something else. 44X20. Ding Lob Bang. Alright, your turn. I'd say a close friend of mine, RJ O'Malley he'd be sick. yeah, he is so he is so good. Such awesome guy, both on and off the court. So, you know, he can he I can get on. Does he does he know Vuong Vo? I don't think so. I don't think so. Alright, we gotta set that shit up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's a young boy, RJ. I'll get him on. I'll get him on. I'll get him on. Let's get him on the court. I like that. This segment is sponsored by Sam's Mouthpiece. If you'd like to be a sponsor on the show. All right, guys, and we're back. Coming up on this segment, we're gonna play a game. We're gonna call it fair or fault. Or we can call it in or out. What do you guys prefer? In or out. In or out. In or out. In or out. So I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw you the ball. I'm gonna s I'm gonna say a statement. I'm gonna throw you the ball, and all you have to do is tell me in or out, and I'm going to judge you on the answer. Okay. Okay. All right, Chi. Bangers are ruining pickleball. Out. I agree. Say why. Say say more on that, please. I'm a banger and I can't help it. Let's go. Show your shirt. Show your shirt. Because my partner's a dinker. All right. JT. Say? If you wanna win, it's cool to stack in rec play. In what about in the rec center? Sure, why not? rec center? It depends which rec center though. In Scripps Ranch Rec Center. No! In Carmel Mountain Rec Center. No. Bernardo Heights. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Alright, here we go. That was a kind of a silly one. Let's see. Here you go. Coaching during rec play is annoying. So if I agree, then I would say that it's annoying. Yeah. Then it's out. I don't know what I don't know what to say on this one. I mean he made his so so when I say out that it's annoying? I agree. No. Agreeing would be in. Okay, in, sorry. So you think it is annoying? Yes. In rec Does it depend who it is? No. Is there anybody out there in the world of pickleball? I know well do you accept it from Vuong Vo Yeah, because I am legally married to him. Okay, but is there anyone else that you would accept coaching from? I give them two chances to coach me and then after that we're done. And where do we l where do we draw the line? Like what's the distinction between coaching and partner communication? That is a great question because I think about Because pickleball is the one sport where males and females get to play on the same level. And if females are not coaching their men on tips during a game, I most of my coaching has been from men. And I'm very polite about not reciprocating coaching advice, even though they probably should hear it, but I don't. So I feel like as a female player, I get a lot of coaching. And a lot of it is valid. Just after the second one you start feeling like something's wrong with you. And it gets in your brain like a Yeah, but what's the difference, right? Like 'cause like I I I t I don't have any inside thoughts when I play with you. Right. And I I just kinda let it all out. And that could be looked at as coaching, but it could also be looked at as partner communication. I feel it's partner communication, but I don't have that much self-awareness. I think the difference in partner communication is highlighting strategy to win versus faults. So if my so if my partner says, You got good on that corner dink, do that again, that's communication. If my partner goes, why did you do it this way or stop doing it this way? That's coaching. I don't want to hear that. But if we're gonna talk about communicating like how to win the game through strategy, that's communication to me. All right. Line calls should always favor your opponent. No. I've explained that one. Yeah. Sorry, chat GPT. was good. I'm like, I'm gonna hear what JT says about this. I'm not gonna be your partner until you answered wrong. Okay. In or out. In or out. In or out. And Ernie is super easy to learn. in theory it is probably, but it's the anticipation. You know, anticipating and setting it up. So that that that setup is is be you know, difficult, but yeah, no, that's one I'd wanna Do you have more than a dozen under your belt live in game or less than a dozen? I'd say less for me. I'll teach you how to do one later. Okay. All right, here we go. Every recreational pickleball situation should have a challenge court. Yeah. What does it depend on? Who you're playing with? I think it depends on like the demographics of the club. Yeah. Who's playing. Yeah. Like a challenge court is kind of a waste of time if everybody's three Yeah. And how many courts there are, I mean. I mean it any given day, right? Yeah, any given day. It's who shows up like Vuong will show up to Pointsettia Park and people will tell him he can't play there 'cause he's not five point but he goes on the court and he kicks our butts. And it just depends on what you consider a challenge. You know. So it depends on like I said, the demographics, the people, you know. What if it's a private club, then do we feel differently? I think it's even They're overrated at a private club. But should have Yeah. They should have separate sections for different dupers, correct? Yeah, but their challenge court is not the challenge on the street. So I play at private clubs and I can tell you when someone goes like, you're so good or Vuong's so good, where do we're like we're on the st This is we're average. We're average where we're at. We're we're average in our gener general population. Yeah. But we are like five point five point five at these private clubs because they've never seen that. Well shit, I'm Ben Johns in the Scripps Ranch Rec Center. He better own it. who's next? Duper has made pickleball better. Out. I don't have a duper. I don't have a duper score, but let's talk about that. Let's talk about the differences between our duper and our main court duper. yes, that's a good topic. Let's talk about it, because my main court duper is a four point three. Which I think is a little bit escalated. No, it's good. you know, it's based on your friends friends' opinions. But that's why it's valid. It's more of a social score though, don't you think? Yes. It's valid. Do we think that that's more valid than a regular duper? Yes, because I think duper ratings are based on tournament play, which you may or may not show up as your best self on tournament play. But when you're playing with your friends regularly Who sees you more often than outside of a tournament one tournament game, they're rating you based on all these numerous times they've seen you. And so I think main court is a little bit more based off of the numbers, main court is definitely a better rating. More accurate rating. But what if you don't play and use the main court app and you play, you know, without being on the main court app then you don't have so that's the thing with duper too if you don't play tournaments then you don't have a rating but that doesn't mean so that it's fascinating because a main court duper really takes into account the social aspect of pickleball right because imagine if you're really good but you're a f** a$$hole Like no one's gonna go on and rate you higher. But I also we also have a lot we have friends that go say like Hey, go on to main court like rate me higher so I can have a higher. We all have those friends. I have three that reminds me every single time. We know who we're talking about. So I I I think can let's all raise our hands in agreement or disagreement that we agree that we like a main court duper better because it brings in the social variable of pickleball, which caters to the 44X20, right? Alright. It's getting late. Let's go around the room. Anyone have any final thoughts? Final thoughts that they want to say. Final shout outs, final things that they've been working on, projects that they're working on, tournaments that are coming up. Someone disappeared. you disappeared. no. It's okay. You won't have you you won't have video for this, but we will still hear your voice. Okay. Cool with that. So why we go with Chi? Any final thoughts? This is the ghost version of Chi. You can't see her, but you can hear her. man, there's so much, I think. I think going forward with what we've done with charity work, I like to continue that actually and make that more than just one event a year, maybe something that is sustainable, and something that doesn't just benefit one charity but the community. I think we're in the works of trying to figure what that mission is. but stay tuned and we can we'll share when we know more and and get the ball rolling. Love that. I love that. Anybody else? Final thoughts, Holly? Yes, I'd like to give shout outs to my CMR community, especially To Denise and John. John was the first one that laid down the tape at CMR outdoors, and that's where we went outside to play competitive. Breadman. The bread man. He is so generous. Both Denise and him have been so generous with their time and their energy, building pickleball benches, putting up sunshades and windshades around the court, devoting their own money to art. And I'll include Vuong in that too, my husband, who shows up Every single time with a basket full of balls, doesn't matter who wants to play with them, he will share those pickleballs with anyone on the court. And most times we'll try to get out there early to reserve courts 'cause it's public courts. And so I wanna give a shout out to those people who are the heart of CMR and Can I add something to that? Yeah. Speaking of CMR, one of the things that pops up in my mind is, you know, it rarely rains in San Diego, but when it does, we all cry because we can't play outside, right? But I think a few months ago it did rain and we sh showed up at the courts anyways. And there's puddles everywhere. But Denise brought microfiber towels and we all would we had brooms and mops and we were, you know, just dragging towels on the courts just to dry them. And I was thinking like I've never seen my brother clean anything in my life. And and he was on his hands and knees just dragging towels to get the courts dry. And I think that is the heart of pickleball. We are so passionate about it. It brings us together and you know, makes us do crazy things so we can play. Yeah. That's awesome. JT, final thoughts, stud. Shoutouts to two to two groups of people, my family obviously, you know, who for putting up with me, going and playing a lot and And always, you know, watching it, you know, pickleball TV. That's the default channel on the TV, right? Yeah. Turn it off, it's pickleball TV, right? Yeah. so you know, they're really patient with me and and they're supportive. And and then also the next group would be my Thursday night high country west men's group. They're they're a great group of guys, you know, very supportive of each other, and and they're they're they're they're tough guys, you know. And those guys don't fuck around either. Those guys barbecue the shit out of me, the OG. Yeah, yeah, no, no. They play it and they just bring everybody else's game up, you know. And they're very supportive, very helpful, you know. So shout out to those fuckers put me on skates. last final thoughts from me. I I just want to thank all of you guys so much for your support. I think this episode has been exceeded my expectations as far as fun. and laughs. I'm I'm so appreciative of all of you guys for your contribution to this. Thank you so much for JT, for Chi, for Holly, and for Sammo. 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